JEDI and future Delphi releases ?

[Zlatibor Boro Urosevic]

I remember it was mentioned somewhere, not sure where though, but
wondering whether Delphi Product Management (Nick and the team) thought
about Jedi project/components and eventual inclusion (or at least a part
of) into future Delphi/CB releases?

Is there any support CodeGear gives to Jedi ?

B.

[OBones]

Zlatibor Boro Urosevic wrote:
> I remember it was mentioned somewhere, not sure where though, but
> wondering whether Delphi Product Management (Nick and the team) thought
> about Jedi project/components and eventual inclusion (or at least a part
> of) into future Delphi/CB releases?

Part of the JCL is used in the IDE. See the about box, it's mentionned
here. As to including it by default in the IDE, I don't think this was
ever discussed. For instance, should the JVCL be included, many users
don't have the need for that many components.


> Is there any support CodeGear gives to Jedi ?

http://homepages.codegear.com/jedi/jvcl and the sibling sites are the
most obvious support we get from CodeGear.

Cheers

Olivier Sannier
JVCL Coordinator

[Zlatibor Boro Urosevic]

Thanks Olivier,

Even if JVCL contains so many components, including it eventually as an
option of the main Delphi install would provide more publicity to a
whole Jedi project I suppose as well as a fact to be 'officialy'
supported by CG which is quite important to who buys a product ...
(isn't that case with Indy, although Indy is much more specialized then
complete JVCL)

Cheers,
B.

OBones ha scritto:
>
> Part of the JCL is used in the IDE. See the about box, it's mentionned
> here. As to including it by default in the IDE, I don't think this was
> ever discussed. For instance, should the JVCL be included, many users
> don't have the need for that many components.
>
>
>> Is there any support CodeGear gives to Jedi ?
>
> http://homepages.codegear.com/jedi/jvcl and the sibling sites are the
> most obvious support we get from CodeGear.
>
> Cheers
>
> Olivier Sannier
> JVCL Coordinator

[Craig]

While JVCL is useful, it still comes across to me as a thrown together
collection of mismatched components, with many overlaps and ambiguity.
To include it with the official Delphi install would require a lot of
clean up work from CodeGear which they probably don't have the
resources to do. I think all they should do is include it on the
partner CD.

Craig
www.jobtree.com.au


>
> Even if JVCL contains so many components, including it eventually as an
> option of the main Delphi install would provide more publicity to a
> whole Jedi project I suppose as well as a fact to be 'officialy'
> supported by CG which is quite important to who buys a product ...
> (isn't that case with Indy, although Indy is much more specialized then
> complete JVCL)
>

[Rob McDonell]

Zlatibor Boro Urosevic wrote:
> wondering whether Delphi Product Management (Nick and the team) thought
> about Jedi project/components and eventual inclusion (or at least a part
> of) into future Delphi/CB releases?

I wouldn't particularly want to see the whole JVCL included, but perhaps
some of the base functionality could be, so we don't have to have loads
of JVCL components that are only very slight modifications to the
standard ones.

--Rob.

[Roger Lascelles]

"Rob McDonell" <***@arkangles.com> wrote in message
news:489a6181$***@newsgroups.borland.com...

> I wouldn't particularly want to see the whole JVCL included, but perhaps
> some of the base functionality could be, so we don't have to have loads of
> JVCL components that are only very slight modifications to the standard
> ones.

I don't want my IDE offering the Jedi components after I install. The Jedi
stuff is a big ball of interdependencies that I try to avoid. I wish they
had kept separate the individual donated projects.

Roger Lascelles

[somebody]

"Roger Lascelles" <relATaantDOTcomDOTau> wrote

> I don't want my IDE offering the Jedi components after I install. The
Jedi
> stuff is a big ball of interdependencies that I try to avoid. I wish they
> had kept separate the individual donated projects.

Seconded. JVCL has too much bloat/redundancy. In hindsight, I agree that
individual projects should have been kept separate and maintained by
original authors. Maybe the only mandate of JEDI should have been to keep a
list of JEDI-approved projects (maybe hosting them), publish coding style
guidelines and avoid conflicts.

[Christian Wimmer]

Don't you all forget the JEDI projects : JCL and API&WSCL and all the
others ???

What about them?

Regards
Christian Wimmer
http://blog.delphi-jedi.net

[Roger Lascelles]

"Christian Wimmer" <***@gmx_removethis_.de> wrote in message
news:***@newsgroups.borland.com...
> Don't you all forget the JEDI projects : JCL and API&WSCL and all the
> others ???
>
> What about them?

These are a great resource and I pay tribute to the work of all who
contribute.

Some users might appreciate inclusion of JEDI headers/libraries/components
on the Delphi install DVD, or even offered as options on the installer. As
long as its not a default install.

Roger Lascelles

[Charles B]

"somebody" <***@A.com> wrote in message
news:489ab9eb$***@newsgroups.borland.com...
> "Roger Lascelles" <relATaantDOTcomDOTau> wrote
>
>> I don't want my IDE offering the Jedi components after I install. The
> Jedi
>> stuff is a big ball of interdependencies that I try to avoid. I wish
>> they
>> had kept separate the individual donated projects.
>
> Seconded. JVCL has too much bloat/redundancy. In hindsight, I agree that
> individual projects should have been kept separate and maintained by
> original authors. Maybe the only mandate of JEDI should have been to keep
> a
> list of JEDI-approved projects (maybe hosting them), publish coding style
> guidelines and avoid conflicts.
>

Thirded. Some of the components are a bit ropey too IME.

CB